Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution

Subject: Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution 3/24/2014, 2:01 pm

So as per the OOC tourney rules this conflict will be entirely different from usual IC conflicts. The most important part is that each member gets a say. (yeah you read it right, this isn't just ''staff only gets a vote''). I would ask our dearly belowed members to wait for ET's post after mine, with his evidence, before they start posting. I would ask the members and staff that will decide to vote one more thing. That they post their reasons for their decision (also please read both arguments before posting) because it is common curteousy. Of course, no such rule exists that you must post a reason but I repeat myself it would be polite to do so.

P.S. Please don't post without reading the entire topic in the first place.

So I should begin.

The part that is the reason for this conflict is whether Mizukage managed to dodge my sword. I will post everything that I found even remotely relevant to the topic backed with evidence.

Content is in the spoiler below.

Spoiler:

Part #1

Quote :: Like a true weapon master Kaizu unsheathed his legendary sword and swung with it with all his might covering any exit plan the Mizukage might have had. If he even dared to jump out of the boat to save himself, whether left or right, forward or backward the sword was definitely going to split his body into half just at the start of his jump coming from above.

So this is me, describing my attack. Clearly stating that it is coming from above and stating when it strikes.

Quote :: Just as the boat began to speed up and swirl, and the moment that the boy began his ark with the chakra wire, the Mizukage jumped directly up and out of the boat, his ability in taijutsu and relatively impressive strength allowing him to raise himself up 10 meters above the surface of the boat, completely allowing the boat to be crushed down into the vortex. And as he had jumped before the sword had even reached the half way point in it's ark towards his previous location, it allowed him to dodge it simply by not being where the attack was directed, the sword passing under him in it's ark harmlessly

This is Tree describing his dodge. He ignored my timing while presenting a completely new timeline that I will try to prove later. He tried to vague manip my sword going in a really soft arc so he would have time to dodge. The thing is, I clearly stated that my sword was coming from above, that if he jumped up he would get hit by it cause of the timing.

Also if the sword had such a soft arc as he described the attack would more seem like a frontal attack than an attack coming from above.

Moving on. I'm gonna try to prove the timing problems now.

Part #2

Quote :: As the boat began to swirl and be come unstable, that was Kiseichu's moment to ditch the area like it was on fire, not wanting to be killed by any sort of vortex in the water. He was prepared to leave the boat and jump out, before he noticed something else happening. The boy had jumped over to the small island for cover, which would work perfectly for him. It gave him little room to escape his attacks, and since the island was completely made of loose rock and set in an awkward position, the surface of it being slanted up to a high degree as if it were a mountain, a few rocks and trees being around the base

Notice the bolded part. First of all Tree claims in his post that I jumped on the island for cover which I never did. Later he claims that my jumping onto the island ''worked perfectly for him'' (for the Mizukage). And that my jump gave him ''little room'' to respond to my attacks. He gained ''little room'' with that, which means that he had no room before. He basically here acknowledges that if it weren't for my jump, he wouldn't be able to dodge. And I repeat myself once again, I did not jump onto the island and therefore I didn't give him room at ALL.

Part #3

Quote :: Both shinobi started moving almost simultaneously, maybe a few microseconds of delay between them.

Both of us starting at the same time. Me with this technique: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Tearing_Earth_Turning_Palm and ET with his mist thingy. Another quote confirms that.

Quote :: Normally while that was happening Kaizu did not just stand there like a retard doing nothing, because as mentioned before he started his own attack when his opponent decided to call the mist as an ally.

Quote :: The technique that Kaizu was performing was an Earth Release one and despite having a couple more handseals than Kisei's technique it would be executed almost at the same time as the mist technique because of the fact that it takes some time to raise such a powerful mist.

This quote of mine confirms that both Kirigakure no Jutsu and my jutsu were executed at the same time which is a legit call since it takes some time to raise a mist. After that as mentioned in the first quote I immediately went for my sword, while that wasn't the same case with ET. He performed at least one handseal for the next technique as he proves it in his post.

Quote :: Just after he had felt the first vibration and movement from the water under the boat, he took his hand away from the seals on the sash,

See that part. This means that I started my reaction even sooner that he did which definitely works into my favor and that my attack will strike him from above as I mentioned a few times before.

Part #4

Quote :: He was prepared to leave the boat and jump out, before he noticed something else happening. The boy had jumped over to the small island for cover

So ET is there, all ready to jump out but he notices something happening. Yeah, happening..that basically means that it is happening this instant. So he basically stood there doing nothing while realizing what is happening, although the thing never happened but that's his mistake not mine.

Subject: Re: Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution 3/24/2014, 2:19 pm

The Big Bad Wolf wrote:

So as per the OOC tourney rules this conflict will be entirely different from usual IC conflicts. The most important part is that each member gets a say. (yeah you read it right, this isn't just ''staff only gets a vote''). I would ask our dearly belowed members to wait for ET's post after mine, with his evidence, before they start posting. I would ask the members and staff that will decide to vote one more thing. That they post their reasons for their decision (also please read both arguments before posting) because it is common curteousy. Of course, no such rule exists that you must post a reason but I repeat myself it would be polite to do so.

P.S. Please don't post without reading the entire topic in the first place.

So I should begin.

The part that is the reason for this conflict is whether Mizukage managed to dodge my sword. I will post everything that I found even remotely relevant to the topic backed with evidence.

Content is in the spoiler below.

Guide for Starting a Conflict Resolution Topic

Members Involved: EmptyTree, Big Bad Wolf
Link to the topic: https://narutouzumaki-rpg.forumotion.com/t841-wolf-and-tree
Relevant Posts:All 3 posts
Relevant Issue:Whether my sword hits or doesn't hit ET
Problem(s):

Spoiler:

Part #1

Quote :: Like a true weapon master Kaizu unsheathed his legendary sword and swung with it with all his might covering any exit plan the Mizukage might have had. If he even dared to jump out of the boat to save himself, whether left or right, forward or backward the sword was definitely going to split his body into half just at the start of his jump coming from above.

So this is me, describing my attack. Clearly stating that it is coming from above and stating when it strikes.

Quote :: Just as the boat began to speed up and swirl, and the moment that the boy began his ark with the chakra wire, the Mizukage jumped directly up and out of the boat, his ability in taijutsu and relatively impressive strength allowing him to raise himself up 10 meters above the surface of the boat, completely allowing the boat to be crushed down into the vortex. And as he had jumped before the sword had even reached the half way point in it's ark towards his previous location, it allowed him to dodge it simply by not being where the attack was directed, the sword passing under him in it's ark harmlessly

This is Tree describing his dodge. He ignored my timing while presenting a completely new timeline that I will try to prove later. He tried to vague manip my sword going in a really soft arc so he would have time to dodge. The thing is, I clearly stated that my sword was coming from above, that if he jumped up he would get hit by it cause of the timing.

Also if the sword had such a soft arc as he described the attack would more seem like a frontal attack than an attack coming from above.

Moving on. I'm gonna try to prove the timing problems now.

Part #2

Quote :: As the boat began to swirl and be come unstable, that was Kiseichu's moment to ditch the area like it was on fire, not wanting to be killed by any sort of vortex in the water. He was prepared to leave the boat and jump out, before he noticed something else happening. The boy had jumped over to the small island for cover, which would work perfectly for him. It gave him little room to escape his attacks, and since the island was completely made of loose rock and set in an awkward position, the surface of it being slanted up to a high degree as if it were a mountain, a few rocks and trees being around the base

Notice the bolded part. First of all Tree claims in his post that I jumped on the island for cover which I never did. Later he claims that my jumping onto the island ''worked perfectly for him'' (for the Mizukage). And that my jump gave him ''little room'' to respond to my attacks. He gained ''little room'' with that, which means that he had no room before. He basically here acknowledges that if it weren't for my jump, he wouldn't be able to dodge. And I repeat myself once again, I did not jump onto the island and therefore I didn't give him room at ALL.

Part #3

Quote :: Both shinobi started moving almost simultaneously, maybe a few microseconds of delay between them.

Both of us starting at the same time. Me with this technique: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Tearing_Earth_Turning_Palm and ET with his mist thingy. Another quote confirms that.

Quote :: Normally while that was happening Kaizu did not just stand there like a retard doing nothing, because as mentioned before he started his own attack when his opponent decided to call the mist as an ally.

Quote :: The technique that Kaizu was performing was an Earth Release one and despite having a couple more handseals than Kisei's technique it would be executed almost at the same time as the mist technique because of the fact that it takes some time to raise such a powerful mist.

This quote of mine confirms that both Kirigakure no Jutsu and my jutsu were executed at the same time which is a legit call since it takes some time to raise a mist. After that as mentioned in the first quote I immediately went for my sword, while that wasn't the same case with ET. He performed at least one handseal for the next technique as he proves it in his post.

Quote :: Just after he had felt the first vibration and movement from the water under the boat, he took his hand away from the seals on the sash,

See that part. This means that I started my reaction even sooner that he did which definitely works into my favor and that my attack will strike him from above as I mentioned a few times before.

Part #4

Quote :: He was prepared to leave the boat and jump out, before he noticed something else happening. The boy had jumped over to the small island for cover

So ET is there, all ready to jump out but he notices something happening. Yeah, happening..that basically means that it is happening this instant. So he basically stood there doing nothing while realizing what is happening, although the thing never happened but that's his mistake not mine.

Suggested Solution: My sword hits ET, he dies
Staff Handling: All members

Subject: Re: Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution 3/24/2014, 2:36 pm

Guide for Starting a Conflict Resolution Topic

Members Involved: EmptyTree, Big Bad Wolf
Link to the topic: https://narutouzumaki-rpg.forumotion.com/t841-wolf-and-tree
Relevant Posts:All 3 posts
Relevant Issue:Whether my sword hits or doesn't hit ET
Problem(s):

Spoiler:

Part #1

Quote :: Like a true weapon master Kaizu unsheathed his legendary sword and swung with it with all his might covering any exit plan the Mizukage might have had. If he even dared to jump out of the boat to save himself, whether left or right, forward or backward the sword was definitely going to split his body into half just at the start of his jump coming from above.

So this is me, describing my attack. Clearly stating that it is coming from above and stating when it strikes.

Quote :: Just as the boat began to speed up and swirl, and the moment that the boy began his ark with the chakra wire, the Mizukage jumped directly up and out of the boat, his ability in taijutsu and relatively impressive strength allowing him to raise himself up 10 meters above the surface of the boat, completely allowing the boat to be crushed down into the vortex. And as he had jumped before the sword had even reached the half way point in it's ark towards his previous location, it allowed him to dodge it simply by not being where the attack was directed, the sword passing under him in it's ark harmlessly

This is Tree describing his dodge. He ignored my timing while presenting a completely new timeline that I will try to prove later. He tried to vague manip my sword going in a really soft arc so he would have time to dodge. The thing is, I clearly stated that my sword was coming from above, that if he jumped up he would get hit by it cause of the timing.

Also if the sword had such a soft arc as he described the attack would more seem like a frontal attack than an attack coming from above.

Moving on. I'm gonna try to prove the timing problems now.

Part #2

Quote :: As the boat began to swirl and be come unstable, that was Kiseichu's moment to ditch the area like it was on fire, not wanting to be killed by any sort of vortex in the water. He was prepared to leave the boat and jump out, before he noticed something else happening. The boy had jumped over to the small island for cover, which would work perfectly for him. It gave him little room to escape his attacks, and since the island was completely made of loose rock and set in an awkward position, the surface of it being slanted up to a high degree as if it were a mountain, a few rocks and trees being around the base

Notice the bolded part. First of all Tree claims in his post that I jumped on the island for cover which I never did. Later he claims that my jumping onto the island ''worked perfectly for him'' (for the Mizukage). And that my jump gave him ''little room'' to respond to my attacks. He gained ''little room'' with that, which means that he had no room before. He basically here acknowledges that if it weren't for my jump, he wouldn't be able to dodge. And I repeat myself once again, I did not jump onto the island and therefore I didn't give him room at ALL.

Part #3

Quote :: Both shinobi started moving almost simultaneously, maybe a few microseconds of delay between them.

Both of us starting at the same time. Me with this technique: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Tearing_Earth_Turning_Palm and ET with his mist thingy. Another quote confirms that.

Quote :: Normally while that was happening Kaizu did not just stand there like a retard doing nothing, because as mentioned before he started his own attack when his opponent decided to call the mist as an ally.

Quote :: The technique that Kaizu was performing was an Earth Release one and despite having a couple more handseals than Kisei's technique it would be executed almost at the same time as the mist technique because of the fact that it takes some time to raise such a powerful mist.

This quote of mine confirms that both Kirigakure no Jutsu and my jutsu were executed at the same time which is a legit call since it takes some time to raise a mist. After that as mentioned in the first quote I immediately went for my sword, while that wasn't the same case with ET. He performed at least one handseal for the next technique as he proves it in his post.

Quote :: Just after he had felt the first vibration and movement from the water under the boat, he took his hand away from the seals on the sash,

See that part. This means that I started my reaction even sooner that he did which definitely works into my favor and that my attack will strike him from above as I mentioned a few times before.

Part #4

Quote :: He was prepared to leave the boat and jump out, before he noticed something else happening. The boy had jumped over to the small island for cover

So ET is there, all ready to jump out but he notices something happening. Yeah, happening..that basically means that it is happening this instant. So he basically stood there doing nothing while realizing what is happening, although the thing never happened but that's his mistake not mine.

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Suggested Solution: My sword hits ET, he dies
Staff Handling: All members

I forgot the template and added it here. I also can't delete my posts and I failed the template in my second post. Fuck me right. This should be the right thing.

Subject: Re: Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution 3/24/2014, 2:38 pm

.-. After actually reviewing this 4 times I came to the result of this problem. The sword did indeed hit ET due to lack of responding to timing. ^,^ But that is just my thought.

Subject: Re: Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution 3/24/2014, 3:08 pm

ET got rekt. The sword was clearly stated to be coming from above, and then he jumped upwards into it. Sosilly.

Subject: Re: Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution 3/24/2014, 3:13 pm

As Wolf completely failed to use the format for conflict resolution, I'll have to start with what would normally be the first post template

Name: EmptyTree / Kiseichu
Post(s) In Question:What would be the third post in the topic chronologically. This was posted by EmptyTree

Post in Question:

Suggested Solution: Post is accepted and hit is voided.
Jutsu's Preformed:

Liquid Phantom's Grasp:

Statement of Facts:
In the relevant posts and entire topic in general, this would be the order of operations.

1: Kiseichu uses Hiding in Mist Technique
~~2: Kiseichu throws a flash bomb and three kunai at Kaizu~~ *
2: Kaizu uses Earth Release: Tearing Earth Tuning Palm
3: Kaizu uses his Garian Sword to slash at Kisei from above
4: Kiseichu jumps up before the sword could complete it's swing
5: Kiseichu uses Liquid Phantom's Grasp Technique

*Note.
You may be asking why this is slashed off an listed as number two. This is because this action would be voided due to Wolf's next post.

Spoiler:

This is the area of said post in question, where Kaizu preforms the jutsu. Said action was clearly stated in bold to be preformed at the same time as my Hiding in Mist Technique. This would put a stop in my timeline, rendering everything past that point of my first post to be voided. As he said himself that everything around the Mizukage started shaking, and water isn't the most still surface, it would allow the Mizukage to be informed of this attack instantly, and thus whatever action he was going to take regarding kunai would never have happened.

Spoiler:

In this quip from my post where I attempt to do said slashed off action, it clearly states that I do it after the mist rises. Since while my mist is rising the jutsu is activated, happening at the same exact time, I wouldn't have had time to pull out said weaponry and use them. The new information Wolf posted voided this, and thus Kiseichu reacted in a different way. As the water is shallow and the water is "not the most stable" ,stated by Wolf, this would let Kisei be alerted to it in milliseconds.

Statement of Conflict: The conflict is in if I was able to dodge this sword or now. I think this isn't an issue because the evidence in my posts clearly states that I did.
Points:

Point 1: - This attack is vague and impossible

Quote :: Like a true weapon master Kaizu unsheathed his legendary sword and swung with it with all his might covering any exit plan the Mizukage might have had. If he even dared to jump out of the boat to save himself, whether left or right, forward or backward the sword was definitely going to split his body into half just at the start of his jump coming from above.

Here is the attack that Kaizu made against the Mizukage with his sword, stating that it came from above and could reach each side. This description of said attack is extremely vague, as there is no such sword swing that could hit in every area in the air, and it would be foolish to think there is. To be able to attack someone in any given location is impossible, especially when you can no longer see them. And thus this attack is in it's nature impossible.

Point 2: - Wolf was off aim.

Quote :: He could sense the boy's chakra rushing towards him in three long lines, sweeping up from above in an ark that was slightly tilted to the side.

As he was on a boat as well, clearly stated by Wolf, this would make his boat also unstable and moving from the very same jutsu he cast. The very action of shifting his weight on such a small boat would make it shift and become unstable, rocking around. And to swing his sword it would require shifting his weight. As such the boat would be rocking around at this time, and Wolf wouldn't be able to aim his sword properly. This is fairly obvious, since -

Quote :: face on that boat when everything around him started shaking and it was almost impossible to stand there due to the fact that the boat was on the water, and common sense says that water isn't really the most still surface.

Kaizu was on a boat as well not to far from the Mizukage. He would quickly become unable to stand from the same jutsu he had cast, as common sense would dictate. Force travels quickly in water, and he's not exempt from being affected by his own shockwaves.

Point 3: - I jumped before the sword was swung.

Quote :: And as he had jumped before the sword had even reached the half way point in it's ark towards his previous location, it allowed him to dodge it simply by not being where the attack was directed, the sword passing under him in it's ark harmlessly.

As I stated in this post, I had moved to jump upwards before the sword was even half way in it's ark. This would mean since Kaizu was swinging it forward, which would have to be in an over the shoulder position or something similar to that, the tip of the blade would be directly over Kaizu's head, give or take a few inches.

And as I jumped before the sword gained any distance on the 20 meters between us, I would have been able to jump up to my ten meter height before the sword could be swung. As he was aiming for the boat and it's sides, and not 10 meters in the air, there would have been no way he could have hit me. As I am a Taijutsu Specialist, and Kaizu is a Weaponry Specialist, the rules regarding specialties would implicate that his sword and my jump were moving at the exact same speed. And as 10 meters up in the air is a shorter distance than 20 meters ahead, I would have reached my destination first. And thus be out of his sword's range. This doesn't even take into account how hard it would be to actually hit the target he wanted when both his boat and the other boat were rocking back and forth, as well as the mist clouding his eyes from being able to see.

Anything else: While I admit that I had confused his location in my post, this means absolutely nothing.

Quote :: As the boat began to swirl and be come unstable, that was Kiseichu's moment to ditch the area like it was on fire, not wanting to be killed by any sort of vortex in the water. He was prepared to leave the boat and jump out, before he noticed something else happening. The boy had jumped over to the small island for cover, which would work perfectly for him. It gave him little room to escape his attacks , and since the island was completely made of loose rock and set in an awkward position, the surface of it being slanted up to a high degree as if it were a mountain, a few rocks and trees being around the base

This was a small error I made which states that Kaizu was on the island, when he was not. As neither of them could see each other, this can be passed off as a sensory error, or the fact that both of their boats were moving around quickly.

And put in bold is the area of confusion. This was human error on my part, as writing 1k words can cause a few messes in grammar. The way this should read is that "It gave himKaizu little room to escape his[Kiseichu] attacks." And thus whether or not Kaizu was on the island doesn't matter whatsoever, since it was stated it would give him little room to dodge my attacks should he be on said island.

As I had room to dodge the entire time, this didn't give me any more or less room to dodge, as that would make no sense at all.

Supporting Evidence:

Spoiler:

This is a conversation we had on skype, arguing about the outcome. As this has no affect or real relevence, I wasn't sure about posting it, however the guide said to withhold no information.

Subject: Re: Mizukage vs. Kaizu Conflict Resolution 3/24/2014, 3:31 pm

I read it all, and whilst there is some vagueness and confusing parts, i say the sword connected. Simple really, you can argue that his timing/aim is off due to his jutsu but jutsu are not instantaneous. Its not like the moment he performed the final Hand seal, the jutsu would be raging full blast. Thus, in my mind he would have plenty of time to draw his sword and swing before waves or whatever would hinder his ability to do so. As for the speed argument, thats a little less clear as im not in the mood to go check your specialities. But if ET stopped gathering his kunai and what not, it would be safe to say that the sword is on its way. From above. And ET jumped upwards, thus he is skewered by the sword that was already there. Aye?