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Itome Hikaraku Genin
Gender : Number of posts : 114 Registration date : 2014-02-25
Ninja Profile Jutsus: Alliegance: Elemental Mastery:
| Subject: A Conflict 3/19/2014, 6:52 pm | |
| Guide for Starting a Conflict Resolution Topic [/ b] [b]Members Involved: Odd, Asuka Nara Link to the topic: https://narutouzumaki-rpg.forumotion.com/t704-training-in-the-stormopen#5295 Relevant Posts: 7th Post onwards. Relevant Issue: This battle currently has multiple Issues. First, in one of his earlier posts, he failed to use handseals for his body flicker which he used to get behind me. Since it was raining, and he was running at full speed, I thought it would be obvious Asuka could hear him, so I just fired a jutsu. Finally, in his latest post, he goes ahead and automatically knocks me out and says my reasoning is invalid and silly. Problem(s): No handseals have been used for his body flicker , and autohitting. Suggested Solution: Void all of his posts up to his usage of body flicker, or allow me to kill him. Staff Handling: The Queen | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
Gender : Number of posts : 538 Age : 28 Registration date : 2009-11-11
Ninja Profile Jutsus: Alliegance: Amegakure Elemental Mastery:
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/19/2014, 6:54 pm | |
| My piece: Guide for Starting a Conflict Resolution Topic Members Involved: NigNigSloth | Odd Link to the topic: https://narutouzumaki-rpg.forumotion.com/t704-training-in-the-stormopenRelevant Posts:- First Post:
[quote="Odd"]He is always watching; he is always waiting. Who knows what for, but in waiting he lies, and in the shadows he lurks. Only in appearance does the one called Odd blend in with his surroundings, though, now, the use of a specific technique perfects this appearance, and, to means granted by the naked eye, he is invisible. Though sightless, the strange man isn't lacking sight, for he is always watching. He observes from the middle of the open training field, which is dotted by various trees, stones, obstacles, and the like. Hiding in plain sight, Odd hasn't the need to take cover beneath nature's shelter, but from the rain. The disturbance of the rain drops could betray his location, thus his positioning beneath the fronds of an immense tree lying one meter to his left flank. The greenery draped over the majestic branches soaks up the rain before it cascades upon the dry man below. He is watching.
Why, one may ask, is the older man here? And, moreover, for what purpose does he conceal himself so? The high-ranking shinobi finds peace among the innocence of the underlings, many of whom are in their youth, not yet corrupted by the world's wickedness, untouched by the scum festering within the deepest recesses of their village. Their ignorance to these horrors emits a strange and beautiful aura of purity. These are the last of the corroded populous embodying this dying ideal, and the man sees it as his job to preserve the purity. Like a shepherd gazing lovingly upon his flock, which he swore to protect, Odd stands and watches the children. He is always watching.
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day; day, after, day, after day, he sees his sheep not led astray.
Though his hiding may arouse suspicion, best believe it's for the best. Knowing the miscreants prowling the village's underbelly, one would possess sufficient reason to suspect the watcher of pedophilloic peeping, engaging in masturbatory fantasies involving the young genin whose training he so intently observes. Though, as we are all captivated by things of beauty, the beauty of the children's innocence captivates Odd, and thus he stays; and thus he watches. To circumvent the suspicion of such lewd acts, the man remains hidden, for he needn't the wrong impression be formed about his presence. No, with no malicious intent at heart, Odd simply watches, looking admiringly and appreciatively upon the carefree joy of all the children. He is watching.
Beware of wolves who present themselves in the garb of sheep, for the flock they will devour. Odd an exception to general perception, the conclusion logically drawn of an older man spying and creeping about a children's training field is often not so benign as that which should be drawn of Odd's presence. Surely, the man in the tree five meters adjacent to Odd on his right side, the man called Yoshi, is not here to relish in the beauty of innocence. No, the shepherd of the pure's eye remains fixated upon this man, seeing to it that he does not advance upon the flock with evil intent. The chakra signature of anyone encroaching upon his one hundred meter buffer zone becomes known to him, and thus Odd has picked up upon Yoshi, as well as his elemental affinities. He is always watching.
Momentarily, the crimson-haired girl prances energetically onto the scene, her upbeat aura bringing a smile to Odd's face. Though, while her personality may seem one of purity, other aspect's of the girl's behavior illustrate a hint of corruption to her natural innocence. Firstly, the girl is clad as a harlot, and, certainly, one so immodestly clothed cannot embody the perfect purity that Odd seeks. The girl's language also eradicates the smile from the face of the strange man; such impure words dismay the shinobi greatly. He frowns as he listens to the girl's speech, ridden with arrogance and cusses as it is. Though hints of grit mar the girl's soul, her overall essence seems to be one of purity, and thus Odd considers her one of his flock. She is still a child after all. Alas, it is the shepherd's job to show his sheep the way, and the shepherd must monitor their path carefully. Yes, he is watching.
In a show of fatherly discipline, entirely untraceable but to methods of chakra sensory such as those he practices, Odd assumes a new location directly in between the shinobi of his rank and the genin, who have begun to talk. Traversing the five meters between his old location and his desired one, Odd then finds himself somewhere between the two meter space separating the girl and the man. At this point, the technique enshrouding Odd in a versatile camouflage dissipates, revealing the odd-looking, somewhat spooky figure of the man to the two shinobi that he stands between. He is facing the manipulator of shadows. Though, with the sun smothered by the ominous clouds, and the shadow of a tree engulfing their location anyways, neither his, nor his two new friends' shadows are visible, thus negating any effect a Nara's technique could have on any one of them. The pale orbs that are the strange one's eyes glow as they gaze into the soul of the young girl. He is always watching.
"Don't use naughty words."
The point in time at which Odd assumes his given location and utters these five syllables is directly following that at which the girl mutters the expletive beginning in 'a' and ending with a double 's'. The startling appearance of the ghastly figure is liable to disturb both parties, and perhaps render them speechless, for out of nowhere the spindly man emerges. Draped in a black cloak, limbs hidden beneath, one could say the mean appears to be death's harbinger itself. Though, Odd acts on no evil intent, he simply wishes to preserve the purity of the young girl, and dissuade her from using such language again; he comes to her with open arms, and thought of harm does not flicker through his psyche for the briefest of instants. He waits for a reply.
He watches.
- Post 2:
- NigNigSloth wrote:
- Yoshi listened to the girl, young Asuka of the Nara clan she was claiming. Pretty name. He stood entirely still as the girl turned her body and sat down onto a log that was dry due to tree coverage, thick leaves soaked up the rainwater apparently so everything was dry. The girl spoke of ambitions and the dreams that filled her head when she was pondering her future, this girl seemed like she was onto something. Something bigger and better for the village in the future maybe, maybe it was the way she carried herself that made Yoshi not feel so scared of harm. Whatever it is, Asuka's got it and Yoshi likes the thought of having a fresh Nara to add to his arsenal. Yoshi could train the child in the ways of the Shinobi, the training they don't show in the academy. War. War is what the shinobi live and die for, hidden in the conspiracy the civilians know as peace.
Yoshi dazed off for a bit thinking about such things, outside surroundings became visible to him when she apologized for being so talkative. Senses came back slowly, drops of water ringing on existing water making a nice flow, a tiny wave in the small puddles scattered across the field. "It's not a problem at all Asuka. I like your attitude." Yoshi's voice was upbeat to keep pace with the young girl's spirit that the twenty-three year old man lacked. Her spunk could kick his ass a mile away and still go some more with no trouble, energy is what the young ones have. Youth, and it is powerful. Yoshi would be sure to keep his wits about him because there are often times rotten apples in the bunch. Yoshi's job as a special jounin is to guide these young youths of Ame to the right path of a shinobi, but some people may have different ways of expressing such obligations.
Suddenly Yoshi's eyes caught a glimpse of a shift in the background as he was talking to Asuka and he immediately reacted to the possible threat. He was only trying to protect the young Nara. The moment he noticed the shift a man coated in black garb had appeared from literal nothingness. It was then that Yoshi reacted, before the man could say anything Yoshi's body moved before thinking and would drop down while moving his leg outward in a spin motion aimed at the man's legs attempting to knock him to the ground by swiping his legs. Yoshi'w movements were quick enough where one could tell that he knew what he was doing, he was no amateur in the art of taijutsu. This particular move was the simple Leaf Gale in which Yoshi would perform by kicking his leg out, dropping to his hands and pushing off with force to gain extra momentum for speed and finish off with a swipe at the man's legs.
This man seemingly came from nowhere and Yoshi didn't know him off appearance alone so he is a potential threat until proven otherwise, the special jounin was only doing his duty to protect the young ones of the village. Young Asuka was hopefully doing something to benefit the two from the situation be it discerning the man's identity or doing something to help Yoshi's case.
- Post 3:
- Odd wrote:
OOC: In your first post you stated that there was water underneath the tree that you stood beneath, and in your next post you somehow changed what you said, stating that the area underneath the tree was completely dry. In my post I stated that the tree I stood underneath was thick enough to keep me dry, but I also stated that you stood beneath a different tree; I never stated that your area could be dry. In your post you also stated turning the water beneath you into ice, meaning there was clearly water beneath the tree. All trees are different, perhaps the one which you stand beneath is simply not thick enough to keep the area beneath it dry. Nevertheless, what you said in your original post stands, regarding the water and such, as you cannot change statements from a prior post in another post. Thank you.
Oh, and I would just like to point out that Nike said auto-players are fine, so long as they have a play/pause button and a progress bar.
Such a pity, here is Odd, the white knight gallantly striding onto the scene to preserve the young girl's purity like the upstanding man he is, but he is met only with insolence, and even violence. Clearly, these two pathetic excuses for ninja embody the impurity plaguing the cesspool that Amegakure has become. Why would a good shinobi attack his own ally for no apparent reason at all? Clearly the man called Yoshi is a psychopath, and he must be prevented from harming others in the way that he has attempted to harm Odd. Though, luckily, the wicked being's own retardation has prohibited him form harming Odd and the misguided genin. Perhaps, seeing that nobody has caused any serious damage here, Odd can let Yoshi off with a minor punishment.
See, the man neglects to take into account the thick sheet of ice that, with his bloodline ability, he has caused the still water beneath his feet to transform into. This slippery, black ice stretches in a circle with a radius of half a meter, with its center point being directly beneath Yoshi's feet. Startled, as Odd materializes, the man rapidly drops and begins to spin, though this sudden shift in weight, direction, speed, and momentum does more harm than good atop the ice. No person, no matter how skilled, could simply twirl and spin in this manner atop such ice, and the sudden motion causes the man to slip, careening backwards as anyone in his position would. Spinning on the ice like this, in average shoes with no extra traction or support, the second the man begins to spin, his feet give way from beneath him, causing him to slip in such a manner.
Alas, the man's ignorance to his own ice proves not to be his only folly, and he makes an even dumber decision, leading him to incur even more physical damage at his own hands. See, prior to the Nara's arrival, Yoshi had been located on a tree branch thick enough to support the entirety of his weight, and thus the branch must have been located quite near the trunk of the tree. In actuality, the segment of the branch that the man had been sitting on is located a mere six inches to the right of the thick trunk of the tree. When the man had dropped, he had not put any forward momentum into his descent, and thus ends up at a point directly beneath where he had been in the tree. Common sense dictates that this point is, too, located six inches to the right of the tree trunk. When the man had performed his fanciful kick, in hopes of attacking Odd, perhaps to be flashy, the man performed a reverse spin, spinning backwards so that, even if he had been able to hit odd, he'd hit the tree with his leg before reaching the Uzumaki with it. As such, as the man slips from his spin, his original direction and momentum is continued, only unable to be controlled due to his slipping, and his leg smashes with full force into the tree trunk; the force with which it does so is sufficient to crack bones. Now, no possible way exists for the man to avoid these consequences, as when he slips, his feet give out, and he can no longer alter his direction and momentum; nobody can upon slipping, or nobody would ever slip. Also, the sudden speed with which this happens, and the man's ignorance to the ice altogether prevent him from foreseeing the folly behind his actions, and thus before he even realizes it, he slips.
Ironically, even if the man called Yoshi had not slipped, Odd is not within melee range of the man anyways. As stated previously, Yoshi had been standing two meters away from the girl, and Odd had apparently materialized directly in between the two. Doing so, Odd positioned himself one meter from the both of them. Now, given the average proportions of the male human body, one's legs are approximately half of the length of his body, and in order to hit Odd with a kick from this distance, Yoshi's leg would have to be over one meter in length to even graze the man. Having a leg length of one meter would place the man's total height at around two meters, which equates to six and a half feet, a height which the man doesn't appear to be. Such a silly and pointless maneuver; the man only ends up harming himself anyways.
With the nuisance of a man taking care of himself so that Odd no longer has to, all that is left to address is the girl, who increasingly desecrates Odd's once unblemished view of her. Given the timing of the actual maneuver and Yoshi's attack and such, Odd needn't worry about the threat of Yoshi's kick, and simply continues talking as he normally would, chastising the girl regarding her language. As he finishes this sentence, Yoshi has already executed his own maneuver, and rendered his right leg useless; in addition, his slip has caused him to slam his head on the ice with all the force and momentum that he had put into a kick, and as such he has been rendered unconscious. Asuka continues her lewd speech normally, both personally insulting Odd and continuing to use her filthy, impure language, which further enrages Odd with each syllable spoken.
Why must these things happen? Why must the girl insult a man she has never met before, whom she knows nothing about? Why is the youngster using such vile language, and where did she learn it? Though, Odd needn't dwell on such moot musings, for he has his own way of dealing with these issues and preserving purity. A wise man once said that if your hand causes you to sin, you should sever it, as it is better to enter the kingdom of heaven a cripple than not to enter at all. Odd shares a very similar viewpoint, and believes that it is better to remain pure and lose an earthly accommodation than to delve into the abhorrent pits of impurity. The Uzumaki, being the protector and preserver of all things pure, takes it upon himself to maintain the young girl's purity. She must learn her lesson, and learn why what she is doing is so wrong. Even if she must part with her tongue and never speak again, Odd will see to it that she never utters cursed words again.
As soon as the 'r' from the word 'creeper' rolls out of the girl's mouth, and she comes to an end of this word, Odd flickers out of visibility once more, only to re-emerge an instant later. During his fleeting moment of invisibility, Odd positioned himself as rapidly as his legs carried him behind the back of Asuka, according to whatever direction she may have turned. No matter where she may be, or what direction she may be facing, though seeing that the adjustment in location occurs in the briefest of moments, she will most likely not be able to react until it is too late, Odd still reemerges behind her back. The instant he reappears, his fist is already moving towards the back of the girl's cranium, his medical expertise dictating where to strike in order to send her into unconsciousness. Before the girl would even have sufficient time to turn around, his already traveling fist should connect with its target, seeing that some divine miracle does not prevent this from happening. Taking into account that his movements were invisible, and his new location behind the girl's back places him out of her field of vision, she has no way to anticipate the coming attack, and thus God himself would have to leap from the sky and stop Odd's fist himself. This entire maneuver, the relocation and the punch, occurs in the briefest of moments, and without foreknowledge of Odd's strategy, one has no way to anticipate or react to it.
Odd only wishes the best for the girl, and simply wants to instill within her an important life lesson. The man called Yoshi might not be so lucky... Relevant Issue:- Post 1:
- Invisible to plain sight.
- Moving into a spot between me and Asuka, putting him 1 meter from me and her.
- Moves before saying anything.
- Post 2:
- I moved the second I see the mysterious man appear from air.
- My movements were pure startled reaction.
- I moved before he could speak, with a step above him in taijutsu, I believe my hit should stand.
- Post 3:
- └Auto-Hitting┘ - Auto-hitting will be voided and the punishment will result because of it. Simply put, just don't do it. This also stems into detailing what another character has, and using optimized location factor. Which is to say, don't detail what another character has, and don't detail where another ninja is. PERIOD, this includes things like saying another ninja is in a pit of snakes because he/she failed to say they weren't.
- ^ Does dat also mean he can't say I slipped on ice that I created with my own chakra? He also made me do a reverse kick? Wot?
- 1 meter from me, 3 feet. In my previous post I stated that I pushed with my arms toward him so even if my feet weren't in position to hit, I moved closer so that they would be.
- Says I slip on my head? Even if I had fallen on my own ice, even if I fell to the ground, I clearly state in my previous post that I land on my hands to push forward so I wouldn't land on my head. Simple as that...
Problem(s): Bunnying Suggested Solution: Voided post/Leaf Gale stands. | |
| | | Odd Banned
Gender : Number of posts : 24 Registration date : 2014-03-16
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/19/2014, 8:17 pm | |
| Okay, I don't know how to do the template and shit for this stuff, so I'm just going to go ahead and freestyle this.
I would like to start out by saying that this is so utterly retarded that it is simply depressing. Clearly, neither one of these two read any of my posts, and thus should not be starting a conflict topic. Don't make a problem until you actually fully read and comprehend my posts. This is just silly.
For one, Itome, your issues are all completely irrelevant and demonstrate a fundamental lack of literacy; you clearly did not read my post. I did not use body flicker, I simply used the transparent escape technique to render myself invisible whilst I ran behind you. Like I said OOC, the pattering of the rain on the ground is certainly going to be louder than the sound of feet moving across soft grass, and even if you could hear such footsteps, you possess an average sense of hearing, with no heightened abilities in this sense, and thus hearing footsteps is not going to give you an accurate location to launch a jutsu yet. At best, sure, you would hear the pattering of feet, but you would not be able to pinpoint my location, nor the speed of my movements as you stated. You went so far as to say that, by hearing my footsteps, you could determine that I was not very skilled in taijutsu. Like lolwut. In your post, you also stated that I ran on Joker's ice and slipped, but the ice was in the complete opposite direction. You were on one side of me, the ice was on the other, and located half a meter from my feet. I stated moving behind your back, and thus I am moving in the opposite direction of the ice, so how would I slip on it? Lel. That was godmod plain and simple, and it didn't even make sense. You really need to read posts before posting. I called my hit because you did not react sufficiently to my technique, and your post was just extremely flawed anyways. You also tried to use an A-rank jutsu, which requires six hand seals as stated in the ninjutsu guidelines, and by the time you could even form them, I'd already be behind you and striking out. Not to mention I'm INVISIBLE and you wouldn't know where I was anyways. You also had no IC reason to even launch your jutsu, so it makes even less sense. Soooo yeah, there goes your argument.
Now, Joker clearly did not read my post either. Do you not understand that I did nothing to intercept your hit whatsoever? I simply used aspects of the environment and applied pure logic using points from your previous post. In your previous post you literally stated that you formed ice between your feet, so I went on to say that this ice was circular and had a radius of half a meter. This means that it extends from your feet for half a meter in all directions. So, you clearly stated forming ice beneath your feet, and then you try to go into a spinning kick...while on top of ice? You're in normal attire, you don't have damn ice skates on lul, and thus you would be provided with no extra traction. I don't see how you would not slip? Applying pure logic, I stated that you slipped on your ice when you tried to literally spin on one foot while you kicked with the other. And, as for the distance, I am one meter from you, and all that you stated doing was dropping down; you never stated moving forwards. You said you used your hands to push yourself, thus guiding your spin, but never did you state that you moved forwards a single inch. As I said in my post, given the average adult male's body proportions, the legs account for 50% of one's total height, and to hit me, your leg would have to be over one meter, which would put your overall height at 2 meters, which equates to six and a half feet. Now, that is a very tall height, and nowhere do you state your character's height, and thus I assumed it to be around average height for a male, which is around 5'10'' - 6'0''. So, there goes your whole point about the kick and such. The slipping on ice is common sense; you're not going to do a spin kick ballet move thing on pure ice and expect to execute the maneuver as if you're on regular terrain. You would clearly slip, that is a given. Since you never stated slipping in your post, I was simply calling a hit by applying logic; calling a hit refers to stating the connection of an attack that your opponent has not stated themselves. Your chance to react to the slipping on ice was in your own post, which you never did, as you never mentioned slipping as logic would dictate you should have. Thus, since you did not state the slipping, I did, thereby calling a hit, and when one calls a hit, they generally determine the amount of damage done. I simply stated how you fell, since you never did, and if you don't catch yourself from a fall on your hands or something, which you never stated doing in your post, then, gee, where are you going to land? You're going to land on your head. That's common sense. So, what exactly is the problem again? I've clearly contested each and every single one of your points, as none of them are valid. You are clearly trying to dodge a defeat, which is somewhat disgraceful, and you're actually making a conflict resolution topic because you don't want your character to incur the damage which was inflicted upon him fair and square. Pls.
As for who handles this conflict, I would very much prefer it to be an admin. I have witnessed the bias, and the blatant retardation in many of the moderators, most notably the new ones. I don't feel they possess the sufficient intelligence, or the neutral approach necessary to handle a situation like this. I'm not talking about all moderators, simply a select few. I'd prefer if an admin handled this. Thank you. | |
| | | Joker Chuunin
Gender : Number of posts : 155 Registration date : 2014-03-01
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/19/2014, 8:32 pm | |
| Neither of us complained about you Mack. I'd appreciate the same but I guess that's too much. This topic is to simply have an admin make things clear and officially rule on the topic because obviously you're logic isn't connecting with us. | |
| | | The Queen Hokage
Gender : Number of posts : 570 Age : 124 Village : Konohagakure Bloodline : Sharingan Registration date : 2007-03-12
Ninja Profile Jutsus: Alliegance: Konohagakure Elemental Mastery: Fire, Water
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/19/2014, 11:25 pm | |
| This is the first and last time I shall accept anyone not using the template. If people do not post the proper template, I shall not review until it is done soName:The Queen All Members have made there first post: Yes Targeted Solution:Odd's post is rendered invalid and full of inconsistencies, especially after he so clearly pointed out how others didn't read his post. Odd is removed from the topic Evidence:I'm going to start with something that was said, which is reading posts. I'm reading these posts and simply wondering how such things came to be, I'll be using people's own words and post, so let us being. Locations
- Asuka wrote:
- Then, in the distance came the training grounds! Finally! Asuka guessed that it took her about fifteen minutes to get there
- Asuka wrote:
- And so, Asuka sat there, ad began practicing with her shadows.
- Yoshi wrote:
- Yoshi was chilling atop a tree branch large enough to give the man a solid seat in which to ponder things in his mind. All was peaceful, his mind was at ease and his body was rested for the time being. Yoshi's eyes wandered to a lone puddle in the middle of the training area, he noticed some movement and it caught his attention.
- Yoshi wrote:
- Sounds of footsteps rang throughout the training area and into Yoshi's ears as he watched a young girl enter the place.
- Yoshi wrote:
- When his moment came the man jumped from the tree and landed in a small puddle, the mud beneath his feet was a soothing sensation throughout his legs.
- Asuka wrote:
- Asuka sat down onto a log, humming a tune.
- Odd wrote:
- He observes from the middle of the open training field, which is dotted by various trees, stones, obstacles, and the like.
Here we encounter our first problem, Yoshi has clearly stated he is observing the middle of the training area. To which Odd states he is in the middle of the training area. Also, there happens to be a lone puddle there, in the middle of the training area. From there, Yoshi jumps from the tree, and lands in a small puddle that holds some mud. When he see's Asuka enter the area. Moving on to show the issue
- Odd wrote:
- The disturbance of the rain drops could betray his location, thus his positioning beneath the fronds of an immense tree lying one meter to his left flank.
I find this to be the first case of inconsistency. Odd clearly states he is in the middle of a OPEN training field, to which is in direct correlation with Yoshi's statement of there being a lone puddle in the middle of the training field. If the training field is open, why are there tree's everywhere, and why in a open training field in the middle there are tree's, apparently more than one... that's not open at all, that's forested... a forested training area.
- Odd wrote:
- Surely, the man in the tree five meters adjacent to Odd on his right side, the man called Yoshi, is not here to relish in the beauty of innocence. No, the shepherd of the pure's eye remains fixated upon this man, seeing to it that he does not advance upon the flock with evil intent. The chakra signature of anyone encroaching upon his one hundred meter buffer zone becomes known to him, and thus Odd has picked up upon Yoshi, as well as his elemental affinities.
- Odd wrote:
- Momentarily, the crimson-haired girl prances energetically onto the scene, her upbeat aura bringing a smile to Odd's face.
Here is our second inconsistency, Asuka has already entered the training field in her first post. In fact, it is the second point made in this topic. Asuka entered the field, sat there and began training. Yoshi noticed her enter (stating he was already there prior) and jumped out of the tree when she paused. Asuka, posted again, indicated that her first post stood (no fouls were called) and proceeded to talk/describe Yoshi's post. Which means Odd would have 2 things happen. Either Odd has been there the entire time, which is a impossibility as he responded after Asuka's second post. Or Odd would have had to enter the area, after/during Asuka's second post. We don't allow people to "time" travel back in the topic because they posted after a full round (consisting of Asuka, Yoshi then Asuka again, this would be the start of the second round. Its highly illogical to state that someone has been in a topic after a full round without posting). Meaning Yoshi/Asuka's actions have occurred/are occurring when Odd enters the topic, he doesn't get to magically be in a topic already happening, and post when he likes.
Movement [/color]
- Yoshi wrote:
- When his moment came the man jumped from the tree and landed in a small puddle, the mud beneath his feet was a soothing sensation throughout his legs.
- Asuka wrote:
- While Asuka took a small break from her intense training regimen, a man seemingly appeared out of nowhere
- Odd wrote:
- In a show of fatherly discipline, entirely untraceable but to methods of chakra sensory such as those he practices, Odd assumes a new location directly in between the shinobi of his rank and the genin, who have begun to talk. Traversing the five meters between his old location and his desired one, Odd then finds himself somewhere between the two meter space separating the girl and the man.
We come to another inconsistency, when Odd enters the topic, he does so when Asuka is taking/takes a break. He does not get to piggy back to a earlier time, as those actions are already set in stone (previously by Asuka posting a second time, Odd can not rewrite what has happened). Now, if Yoshi is 5 meters away from Odd, and jumps into a puddle near Asuka, and then Odd moves 5 meters to be in-between an already present Yoshi and Asuka (To which Odd makes no mention of Yoshi jumping, in fact Odd creates a time bubble here, in which Yoshi is both in the tree 5 meters away, and 2 meters away from Asuka), which would make Yoshi's jump over 10 meters. This doesn't solve the issue of hearing, however if Odd is in the middle of the field (its open right, with tree's everywhere???) and in a puddle, and he moves just 5 meters, or 15 feet, I believe both Asuka and Yoshi could hear him... its sloshing through puddles at any rate.
Final inconsistency
- Asuka wrote:
- And so, Asuka sat there, ad began practicing with her shadows.
- Yoshi wrote:
- This is when she spoke again about her training and immediately started with the movement of her own shadow. The shadow seemed to be under well maintained control, this girl's movement shows that she is well versed in terms of combat with her shadow... or she will be sooner or later under the wings of Yoshito Yuki.
- Odd wrote:
- He is facing the manipulator of shadows. Though, with the sun smothered by the ominous clouds, and the shadow of a tree engulfing their location anyways, neither his, nor his two new friends' shadows are visible, thus negating any effect a Nara's technique could have on any one of them.
Did we spot it yet? Odd states that without moving Asuka, her shadows are negated, which in its very definition of the rule I posted. This also stems into detailing what another character has, and using optimized location factor. Which is to say, don't detail what another character has, and don't detail where another ninja is. PERIOD, this includes things like saying another ninja is in a pit of snakes because he/she failed to say they weren't.
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| | | Slothy ANBU
Gender : Number of posts : 538 Age : 28 Registration date : 2009-11-11
Ninja Profile Jutsus: Alliegance: Amegakure Elemental Mastery:
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/20/2014, 12:08 pm | |
| Cool, can you clean up the topic please? | |
| | | Odd Banned
Gender : Number of posts : 24 Registration date : 2014-03-16
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/20/2014, 2:59 pm | |
| I'm sorry, I don't actually see the grounds for voiding? You mentioned a ton of shit about puddles and trees and whatnot, but that isn't the issue. I appeared between Asuka and Sloth as Asuka finishes speaking, which is done in her second post, right before I posted. Thus, the timing of moving is not inconsistent at all, the only questionable part is whether or not I was there beforehand. I simply stated I was standing there already, I've seem plenty of people do this without being voided, but sure, negate that part, it doesn't even affect the rest of the post. The rest of the things you stated about being in the middle and such are personal interpretations, which you seem to include in your rulings A LOT. For one, the middle can be a vast area depending on the size of the training field, and the size of his puddle was never stated; large could simply be ten feet or so in diameter, not a giant pool encompassing the whole center of the training grounds. And this shit about the word 'open', like, lolwut. Open simply means that it is not closed or gated off or restricted. It's a word that, again, you are applying a personal interpretation to. And by saying the field was 'dotted', it's saying that there are trees and rocks and such scattered sparsely across the ground; it specifically means that the area is NOT forested and the trees are NOT in dense clusters. Lern2english.
So, you brought up a bunch of obscure, irrelevant points which you interpreted personally just as reasons to void my presence. I'm pretty sure that is the exact opposite of what staff is supposed to do. I guess my real issue here is that you didn't address a single issue that was brought up, such as the ice or the kick, and instead dodged this by creating your own bullshit. I think it's pretty odd how this is like the fifth topic I've been in that you've ruled on based on personal interpretations as another rp'er rather than as a neutral member of staff. Not to mention that this is like 4th topic of mine in which you've voided my presence entirely, soooooo I can't help but think bias might play apart. Ohandthere'sthepermacbban. | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/21/2014, 12:33 pm | |
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| | | Judge Holden Banned
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/21/2014, 3:15 pm | |
| I'd like to get the opinion if the other two admin, because this makes absolutely zero sense to me. | |
| | | The Queen Hokage
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/21/2014, 9:59 pm | |
| Mack can forward his request to either Jushiro or Lokifur, however he must abide by the results no matter what.
Finally, he broke two rules about conflict resolution, that fact alone doesn't make favorable outcomes look good.
I will stand by my decision, but will abide my Mack's right to ask for another opinion. | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/22/2014, 4:50 am | |
| How about a 48h window before your ruling is the one that stands so to not waste more time? | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/22/2014, 11:05 pm | |
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| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:14 pm | |
| Right well, unless one of you fuckers posts I'm going to put this on a 24h time limit because this is simple bullshit now. I want to get to posting with this character, need moneyz, need shit to do. I didn't make an alt to be topic locked is what I'm saying. | |
| | | Judge Holden Banned
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:15 pm | |
| I've already PM'ed Temp and Pluto about this, and they've both read the messages, so I guess we'll just wait until they give their input. | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:18 pm | |
| I told both of them in chat. Told Juicy once and temp on a multitude of occasions. I want to get started with this character is my only concern so what I said is what I'm going with. 24h and I'm going to post with Nike's ruling standing. | |
| | | Judge Holden Banned
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:22 pm | |
| Nah, Nike said I have the right to ask for other opinions, so I'm prettyyyyy sure that we have to wait until other rulings are posted. Since they're admins resolving a conflict I think they get all the time that they need to deliberate. I, personally, am fine with being topic locked. I just want everything to be done really, as I think following rules and adhering to the guidelines of the site is of the utmost import That's just my general philosophy. So, I think that we should wait until the admin post, and that they should take all the time they need, as I certainly don't want to rush them. That would be rude, and I'm not about that. Thank you. (: | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:26 pm | |
| - The Queen wrote:
- I will stand by my decision, but will abide my Mack's right to ask for another opinion.
Sure you can ask all you want, but since it's been four days since Nike's ruling I'm moving on with this character in 24h their ruling here or not with Nike's ruling. | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:27 pm | |
| Also, I don't think they're deliberating. Nike I know isn't, at least it's kind of obvious with what he posted. | |
| | | Judge Holden Banned
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:30 pm | |
| You can't put time limits on the admin. Unless they specifically say that they are not going to give a second opinion, I will assume that they are deliberating, and thus we should be the polite, upstanding citizens of the community that we are and wait for them. | |
| | | Slothy ANBU
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/23/2014, 7:32 pm | |
| It will have been five days. Like I said. | |
| | | Jushiro Jounin
Gender : Number of posts : 468 Village : Konoha Bloodline : Byakugan Registration date : 2014-01-21
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/24/2014, 6:15 am | |
| Ruling coming up soon. I just need some breakfast first. | |
| | | Jushiro Jounin
Gender : Number of posts : 468 Village : Konoha Bloodline : Byakugan Registration date : 2014-01-21
| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/24/2014, 1:55 pm | |
| - Itome Hikaraku wrote:
Guide for Starting a Conflict Resolution Topic [/ b] Members Involved: Odd, Asuka Nara Link to the topic: https://narutouzumaki-rpg.forumotion.com/t704-training-in-the-stormopen#5295 Relevant Posts: 7th Post onwards. Relevant Issue: This battle currently has multiple Issues. First, in one of his earlier posts, he failed to use handseals for his body flicker which he used to get behind me. Since it was raining, and he was running at full speed, I thought it would be obvious Asuka could hear him, so I just fired a jutsu. Finally, in his latest post, he goes ahead and automatically knocks me out and says my reasoning is invalid and silly. Problem(s): No handseals have been used for his body flicker , and autohitting. Suggested Solution: Void all of his posts up to his usage of body flicker, or allow me to kill him. Staff Handling: The Queen * The Honorable Judge Izanagi preceding, please be seated* *The fox faced calls all the defendants and plaintiffs to the stand* - Quote :
- Odd-Wrote-Before the girl would even have sufficient time to turn around, his already traveling fist should connect with its target, seeing that some divine miracle does not prevent this from happening. Taking into account that his movements were invisible, and his new location behind the girl's back places him out of her field of vision, she has no way to anticipate the coming attack, and thus God himself would have to leap from the sky and stop Odd's fist himself.
I am Izanagi after all, and so here this God comes. The Judge says this. Queen pointed out a few things, but didn't actually deal with the issue. But it would appear the jury has reached a verdict, having listened and reviewing the evidence presented. *Jury, how do you find the defendants?* * We the jury find the defendant Yoshi/Nignigsloth guilty. This is on the grounds of having a stupid username. As such, his stupidity would transfer into the topic. We the Jury understands how the vagueness manipulation rule works. And despite it being a low blow on the part of "Odd". We the jury are compelled to let it stand. Why? Because Yoshi should have known better than to leave anything to chance. We however find it to be in bad taste that Odd/Mack would seek to claim any kind of victory using such poor tactics. We are forever disappointed* -The Judge looks at Mack/Odd or whatever the fuck he calls himself and shakes head- *Moving on-We the jury finds Mack/Odd guilty of making Yoshi slip on his own ice. Yoshi ought to use this as a learning experience and not be lazy. Its the little things that screws us over. We also find Odd/Mack guilty of not utilizing hand seals on three occasions, despite the rules stating so. And he is also guilty of disregarding basic conflict protocol*. -The Judge looks at Mack/Odd or whatever the fuck he calls himself and shakes head- *Moving on-We the Jury finds Itome/Asuka guilty of a rather heinous crime of annoying everyone, with his/her lack of understanding regarding battle. Suffice to say..we find them all guilty. But your honor, you should also know that Asuka has also committed another crime- dun dun dun. Don't forget that when you pass judgment and sentence these individuals* -The Honorable Izanagi smirks while contemplating the sentence for all the defendants- **For the crimes committed by each individual. I now pass judgment, some of it will be severe, some, more of a warning. I hereby find Yoshi guilty, and so he shall remain unconscious. Final ruling, Yoshi slipped on his ice, and was knocked out. Next time, detail these things not happening. There is such a thing as the Tree walking skill. It could be applied here, albeit ice walking skill? Whatever. I also hereby find Itome/Asuka guilty of the murder of Odd/Mack. You seemed to have taken advantage of the fact that no hand seals were properly utilized. As such, Odd was discovered during his assault, and so the wind thingy blasts connected, and the rest as they say is history. I will decide on Asuka's sentence at a later date. As for you Odd/Mack. Please say hello to my wife Izanami when you meet her in Yomi. May he rotting corpse bring you joy while the hounds of hell feed on your wayward soul. -The Judge gets dramatic- You will REST IN PEACE -Bangs The Celestial Gavel-* Now get the hell out of my courtroom hell pigs. Yes, Mack failed with his jutsus, as such, Itome would notice him and so he fails at landing whatever hit on Itome. If yer can't understand it, then whatever. Please fellow Rpers. Stop with this bullshit and petty way of Rping. Is not cool, and in fact, claiming scalps via unscrupulous means, is far from cool. As such, you guys suck. -Izanagi Out- | |
| | | Judge Holden Banned
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/24/2014, 3:05 pm | |
| Lolno. His post was dependent on me slipping on ice that was never there, and this not being open to attack. The only question is whether or not I was visible at that time. Should the hand seals not be performed and the technique never executed, I would just be visible. Pls. Another retarded ruling. You have to read the measurements stated for the ice and such, this is just a matter of fact. It did not spread to under Odd's feet, thus he never slipped, and thus no hit connected, seeing that its connection was dependent on Odd slipping. | |
| | | Judge Holden Banned
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/24/2014, 3:28 pm | |
| - Asuka Nara wrote:
- Things were going from back to worse. Somehow, just somehow, her friend managed to slip on the ice he created, and knocked himself unconscious.
HOW THE HELL DO YOU SLIP ON YOUR OWN ICE?
It was now up to Asuka save the day, even though it was the Yuki that attacked first, and he would be labeled as the criminal in this situation. But, her parents always taught her that family and friends were more important then the village, and there words rang true even at this moment. She couldn't back down....she was supposed to be the next Amekage!
Suddenly, the ninja was behind her, but he was easily predicted. Even though he had a habit of disappearing from sight, Asuka could guess he was behind him because of two very important factors: The rain, and the ice.
Since the man was running full speed towards Asuka, his footsteps would become easily audible and, since Asuka and Yoshito were very close to each other while talking, she was on the ice herself. From the way he was running, Asuka could guess he was obviously untrained in Taijutsu and was trying to close in the distance. Since he was on ice, it would be impossible for the mentally insane shinobi to maintain his balance, so, because of simple physics and logic, the shinobi slipped, and knocked himself out completely. After the battle, Asuka would need to see if Yoshito was alright.. Like Asuka just witnessed, moving on ice was a very horrible mistake if you weren't properly balanced.
Her face was extremely red, and she looked as if she would explode with the rage of a thousand suns. Would she have the guts to kill him on the spot?
"Amekage's have to make tough decisions, but this isn't one of them. Die."
Asuka herself was willing to take no chance, feeling like this type of person was very tricky, and would employ some underhanded tactic that could potentially severely injure her, and Asuka was glad to deal such overkill. Turning her body, making sure not to slip llike Yoshi did, she was now facing the direction her opponent was obviously in. Asuka formed handseals, initiating a wind style jutsu meant to severely incapicitate. Asuka would fire 8 consecutive blasts of wind, amazingly quick, most likely able to catch someone who was so close and lacked specialization in Taijutsu. Since he was knocked unconscious, there would be no way for him to dodge. Slightly bigger then a rasengan, the move would be able to punch through rock. On impact, it would be able to kill.
Just to further clarify and prove my point, this is all the evidence I need. She forms hand seals and prepares the techniques only after Odd has supposedly fallen on ice, but no ice was present in the first place. The post then assumes that Odd is unconscious and on ice, and only then does Asuka launch the wind things as him. The problem is that Odd never falls, and Odd is never knocked unconscious, seeing that there was never ice beneath his feet. Asuka never launched the attack while Odd was running, but aimed it with the assumption that he had fallen and knocked himself out, which could have never happened, hand seals have nothing to do with this. Sure, Odd would be visible to her as he moved around her, but her attack can never hit, or even be launched for that matter, seeing as it is aimed at something that is not there, dependent on something that never happened. She didn't attack Odd while he was running, she only ever even started the hand seals after he had supposedly tripped, which, for the aforementioned reasons, can never have happened. If you read further back, the ice was beneath Joker's feet, expanding in a circle with a radius of half a meter from beneath them, so the ice is half a meter in the opposite direction to which Odd is moving. The post simply makes no sense. The reason for this ruling is an admin simply trying to be a dick, and act like he has some sort of authority or all-encompassing knowledge of rp which allows him to make such foolish rulings. No, the only basis for this ruling is hurr hurr admin power for the lulz. I think I have presented enough evidence to have the entirety of this part of the ruling voided completely. If something could make negative sense, then this ruling surely would. | |
| | | The Queen Hokage
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| Subject: Re: A Conflict 3/24/2014, 8:01 pm | |
| The hour is late, the need is great. Look to the west, during the sunrise, I shall be there, ready and waiting. For I'm the white dick on a horse. ~ Gandickalf This isn't "lets play the abuse/biased card until someone agrees with me" ruling. Mack you were given the option of another admin, and you get to take it and like it. The fact is, you didn't use the template, and broke the rules for insulting/degrading staff. (Again in your previous post). I'm tired of his passive aggressive attacks you continually try to prove nothing. As for logic, you know what, I clearly stated when you break the rules, shit doesn't go your way. I don't care if a Kirin was used point blank by Temp, if he breaks the rules, shit doesn't go his way. (I know Temp wouldn't break the rules, but I was pointing it out again) Also, invisibility disperses when you attack/are going to attack. I clearly stated that in the sensory rules. Also, my ruling looks pretty nice now But, alas you wanted another opinion, and that's what we are going with. Decision made by Jushiro Stands The Staff Out I'm going to quote it again for everyone - The Rules wrote:
- This also stems into detailing what another character has, and using optimized location factor. Which is to say, don't detail what another character has, and don't detail where another ninja is. PERIOD, this includes things like saying another ninja is in a pit of snakes because he/she failed to say they weren't.
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