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PostSubject: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/18/2014, 10:57 am

Guide for Starting a Conflict Resolution Topic

Members Involved: Letony Konowari, Empty Tree, Mouse
Link to the topic: https://narutouzumaki-rpg.forumotion.com/t1298-rolling-mist#11357
Relevant Posts:
Letony's
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The Shapeshifting Technique of EmptyTree's
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Mouse's
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Relevant Issue: The usage and implementation of the Body Replacement Technique.
Problem(s): EmptyTree has taken it upon himself to justify an illegitimate hit call.
Suggested Solution: Due to the nature of the Body Replacement Letony avoids the hit, and continues forward with his actions.
Staff Handling: The Queen, Jushiro, Temp can also throw his two cents in though, due to bias and wanting the site to die I would like Queen to make the final call as he is the one who gave ET the confidence to do this.
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/18/2014, 11:30 am

Primarily Information Guide
Name: Letony Konowari
Post(s) In Question:
Letony's Usage of Body Repacement:
Suggested Solution: The hit misses as Letony was replaced using the Body Replacement Technique
Jutsu's Preformed:

1. Body Replacement
2. Binding Death Blades
3. Razor Armor
Statement of Facts:
1. Letony tracks ET, and Mouse from 100 meters in distance at an angle using Generic Sensory.
2. Letony approaches between the targets, and their destination.
3. Letony reacts to ET's usage of a massive amount of chakra creating the hand signs for the Body Replacement as a result.
4. ET attacks the Body Replacement
5. Letony continues forward to reach 34m in distance from Mouse
6. Letony uses the Binding Death Blades technique catching Mouse in his Genjutsu
7. Letony uses his Razor Armor and attacks Mouse as well as ET who is behind him.
Statement of Conflict: The conflict here is ET believing that because he moves at Tier 2 speeds in his attack, the Body Replacement technique is not fast enough for Letony to replace himself. The problem with this is that Letony performs the Body Replacement well before the attack lands, and thus Letony replaced himself ahead of time, and his attack will miss because Letony swapped himself out with an object described in the given environment. ET also seems to think that some type of preparation is necessary for the Body Replacement, however as proved by the Manga page below that is false.
Points:  
The spike in chakra detected by Sensor Letony wrote:
It had been a long time since something like this happened, and he was surprised it came so naturally to him. His blood began pumping through his body at an increased rate, chakra flowing through each vein and artery at such an increased and violent pace that he didn't need to rely on his nerves any longer, the chakra in his blood allowing him to react in an almost inhuman way.
The described timing of ET's shapeshifting's movement wrote:
Before the man could reach forty five meters towards Kiseichu's original location, Kisei would have already sped to the man in such a blur that it wasn't even able for him to comprehend unless his senses were inhuman, beyond even Kisei's.
Letony creates hand signs for the Body Replacement wrote:
Instantly as this spike in chakra occurred it prompted Letony to complete a set of hand seals in rapid mastery succession as he traveled toward them. He did this even before he arrived within 45 meters of these individuals, his sensory range superior toward his incoming aggressor, and also much more refined.
The correct usage of the Body Replacement wrote:
With his sensory he could feel the aggressor’s chakra flying in at him at a significantly rapid pace, but it was not quick enough to where Letony wouldn’t be able to complete his prior hand signs. There were many smashed branches all around him, making his next action accessible. The chakra enhanced punch would hit its perceived target physical contact and blood drawn, as the real Letony continued on toward his location just 34 meters from the other individual. The punch would indeed blow a hole through Letony’s replacement object, which just so happened to be a downed branch, however due to his usage of the Body Replacement technique Letony proceeded onward with his actions unimpeded reaching the 34 meters as stated prior whilst his enemy was preoccupied with the Body Replacement.
Anything else: Since the body replacement was used well in advance of the purposed Hit, EmptyTree has no case to call this hit. Also below I will site a page from the Manga proving the correct usage of the Body Replacement. Regardless of Tier 2 speed, my timing makes his speed irrelevant as my jutsu was performed prior to his attack and set up well in advance. I have no idea why he listens to Temp who gives no evidence, and does not use logic correctly in this instance.
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/18/2014, 11:46 am

center]Rebuttal[/center]
Rebuttal To Whom: The Noob
Points:
1. Points 5, 6, and seven are not relevant to the issue of this conflict resolution.
Evidence:
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Relevant Issue: The usage and implementation of the Body Replacement Technique.
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Problem(s): EmptyTree has taken it upon himself to justify an illegitimate hit call.

Anything else: Due to events pending, I feel that Queen and Jushiro have a Konoha bias; As this call will directly affect Konoha positively or negatively [and both have characters in that village], I therefore request for Temp to be the one to administer this case.
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/18/2014, 12:31 pm

Primarily Information Guide
Name: Kiseichu Cheirourgiki
Post(s) In Question:
Letony's Usage of Body Repacement::

Suggested Solution: Letony dies. Kaz is put in Bad Standing
Jutsu's Preformed:
1: Increased Hydraulics
2: Chakra Enhanced Strength
Statement of Facts:
1: Kiseichu and Mouse attempt to pass through the Land of Fire
2: Letony tracks Kiseichu and Mouse from 100 meters in distance at an angle using Generic Sensory.
3: Kiseichu senses Letony as he reaches 50 meters in distance.
4: Kiseichu uses Increased Hydraulics and CES when he hits 45
5: Kiseichu rushes at Letony
6: Kiseichu punches Letony through the chest.
Statement of Conflict: Kaz expecting that Body Replacement Technique works in a way that it doesn't.
Points:

- Kiseichu moves at Tier 2

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- Kiseichu reacts BEFORE Kaz reaches 45 meters - He attacks when Kaz is at 50 meters.

Spoiler:
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You need preparation time for Replacement Technique - Along with a distractions/lapse in attention. Letony has none of these.

Jushiro wrote:
You do realize people have switched themselves with a dead rabbit before, right? I believe Zabusa did it. The size of the object shouldn't be that much of a big deal really. But what people need to make sure of, is that it was prepared before hand. The Jutsu is simple, but quite complex. Its all about misleading the opponent. Heck, remember Akamaru's exploding puppet trick? That is simply a Kawarimi Jutsu. The object(s) this time round being Kunai blades laced with exploding tags.

But to make it clear. Its not FTG or anywhere near it. Its not even Shunshin speed if you really think about it. But it may seem like it, especially if the person using it is well prepared.


Anything else: Kaz has been in a conflict res thread in every fight he's been in. This isn't something that should exactly be overlooked by mods. As well as I reject him choosing mods from Konoha, those who would be biased to side with him and not allowing Temp. I ask that Temp is the one who decides this.
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/18/2014, 1:27 pm

Rebuttal
Rebuttal To Whom: Emptytree
Points:

First lets have a look at the Technique utilized by EmptyTree, as he performed NO HAND SIGNS which is required for all jutsu CLASSIFIED as NINJUTSU.
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Name: Increased Hydraulics
Rank: S
Range: Self
Type: Ninjutsu/Ijutsu
Handsigns: Hare - Boar - Dog/None
Description: Using chakra to alter the flow of blood and muscles, it allows the user increased use of muscles as well as pumping blood much faster, giving the user a slight blue tint to their skin due to the aura of the chakra running through their veins. This grants tier 2 speed.
Now the above is classified as a Ninjutsu before even being classified as an Iijutsu, making it require the usage of hand seals to perform. These hand seals are void of ET's post, and thus his performance of this technique is VOID.

Also, regarding medical ninjutsu it is blatantly unfair, and stated as I quote
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Hashirama Senju could use medical ninjutsu with such proficiency that he could heal himself without the need of forming hand seals, a feat initially believed to be impossible even for Tsunade, though she's able to replicate it through the use of her Strength of a Hundred Technique.[3][4]

The fact that Medical Ninjutsu can be performed on this site without hand signs is completely False, and Blatantly goes against what's been stated as FACT from the show we derive our RP from. Not only does this grant EVERY medical ninjutsu user HASHIRAMA SENJU's power, but it also creates IMBALANCES as SEEN in the above situation. BUT even so ET's jutsu is CLASSIFIED firstly as a NINJUTSU and thus the NINJUTSU RULES apply. It also even states the given hand seals for the technique's usage.

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- Kiseichu reacts BEFORE Kaz reaches 45 meters - He attacks when Kaz is at 50 meters.
Now this may be true but the fact remains that Letony's sensory range is 100 meters, and your spike in chakra takes time in of itself. Letony is also a Master in Ninjutsu, and you are only a Specialist in Taijutsu making my technique faster than you can even hit me as stated in the rules of the site regardless of Tier 2 speed.
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   Benefits:
   Hand sign speed is fast with ninjutsu, able to complete a jutsu with 10 or less handsigns before a punch can be thrown.
   Able to discern what elemental type of ninjutsu is, when 3 or more hand signs are presented, and act accordingly and complete a jutsu with 5 or less handsigns before someone with a specialty can complete there's.
   Ninjutsu S rank and under are consider 1/2 less when determining cost, and B rank and under are 1/4 the cost.
   Can either use S-rank Kinjutsu or S-Rank Factor
   At this level, a master can have 4 shadow clones in play. Each clone is 1/2 the power of the original. They last for a maximum of 18 posts outside of the user's land and can not use S-Rank Factor or S-rank Kinjutsu ninjutsu.
As if this were not enough, my post clearly places my actions as your spike in chakra occurs and, DO NOT FORGET you have to actually TRAVERSE the DISTANCE before you reach me which also TAKES TIME as well despite your tier 2 speed. And as I finish refuting this I will leave off with quotes from my post indicating the timing, I hate repeating myself but when you're playing with stupid this needs to happen.
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Instantly as this spike in chakra occurred it prompted Letony to complete a set of hand seals in rapid mastery succession as he traveled toward them. He did this even before he arrived within 45 meters of these individuals, his sensory range superior toward his incoming aggressor, and also much more refined.

Quote :
You need preparation time for Replacement Technique - Along with a distractions/lapse in attention. Letony has none of these.
The video, as well as the Manga page I used as my supporting evidence refutes this quote. Sakura clearly had no time to prepare or do any type of distraction in her implementation of the Body Replacement Technique as shown with evidence above.

Not only that, but the Technique itself which is listed in the First Naruto Databook, created by the writer himself, does not state that any type of preparation is necessary thus making your point void of legitimacy and false in essence. You have no point there or any evidence to support that claim. Quoting Jushiro is also not evidence, and is only speculation which cannot be proven, and thus I rest my case.
Evidence: Listed Above.
Anything else: I don't understand how having Conflict Resolution places me in Bad Standing, as this is the purpose when situations like these arise. I tend to engage in combat a lot, so that is no justification for placing me in bad standing.
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/18/2014, 3:15 pm

Name: Tee
All Members have made there first post: Obv
Targeted Solution: Kaz hit by the technique on the basis that the sub jutsu was performed incorrectly.
Evidence: [quote]The mechanics of the Jutsu. From what I know, you simply find or procreate the object that you wanna swap with. Once the Jutsu is performed, the user will have the Object take on their appearance, while they slip away.
Juicy wrote:

1. Hand seals are formed, for the purposes of the site's rules.
2. Swap your body with the object.
3. It can be prepared in advanced, or on the go. See the Manga and anime for this. Kage immediately swapped his body with Naruto's clone and escaped being hit.
4. It allows you to either flee or buy some time for another attack. Or to even attack. So the post delay aint necessary.
These are Juicy's words and thus im using his take on the tech as a basis for the techs usage since there are no Official rules on it.

Kaz wrote:
There were many smashed branches all around him, making his next action accessible. The chakra enhanced punch would hit its perceived target physical contact and blood drawn, as the real Letony continued on toward his location just 34 meters from the other individual. The punch would indeed blow a hole through Letony’s replacement object, which just so happened to be a downed branch, however due to his usage of the Body Replacement technique Letony proceeded onward with his actions unimpeded reaching the 34 meters as stated prior whilst his enemy was preoccupied with the Body Replacement. Even so, Letony felt it not in his interest to ignore the fellow behind him, even as he completed his set of four hand seals, and cast his Genjutsu accordingly immediately after the punch occurred leaving his opponent to lose sight of him.
Open Dialogue: All Kaz stated was that branches were around him, as per the substitution guidelines above you have to prepare either ahead of time or on the go neither of which was done by Kaz, he merely stated the branches existence otherwise he would have substituted.
Anything else:Rebuttal above is invalid, rebuttals are for AFTER the staff member posts, and anything not put in the previous points is ignored and the points and the basis of the topic which is the usage of the log tech is focused upon.
Final Thoughts:
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/19/2014, 3:08 pm

Kay, so I'm going to rule on this nao. All non-conflict attention whore posts have been deleted.
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/19/2014, 3:57 pm

Name: Lokifur-kun
All Members have made there first post: Ya
Targeted Solution: Kazumi is dead and put in bad standing for manipulating/plotting with folk along with metagaming/autohitting.
Evidence:
Quote :
4. ET attacks the Body Replacement
Spoiler:
Quote :
It was an ancient ninja art revolving around misdirection and the split-second timing of a switch between a 'body' and a location, or between two or more bodies: A technique utilised by ninja in ancient Japan, involving the ninja and anything that can be mistaken for them, (such as a dummy or a mannequin). As it means "a quick shift in position, or adaptability to changing circumstances", it is also utilised in Sumo.
Open Dialogue: Kay, let's start with your quote here. First of all, the Body Replacement technique isn't controlling your opponent through magic. It uses misdirection. Have you read Kuroko no Basket? It's a manga that also uses misdirection. A person seems to "disappear", but they're just using a lapse in the opponent's attention. Why do you think that you can control this lapse in attention on a RP? What makes this different from an autohit? You don't get to pick how your opponent reacts to a simple academy technique that is no longer used in canon and relies on speed. By the time you'd have let your opponent get so close to you for you to switch, you'd already be hit. How can you possibly control the lapse in attention of your opponent from such a close range when their speed is so superior to yours through a technique? Or, even with that technique not used...You purposely slow down to get yourself hit. You don't have the reaction speed for it even if you prepared beforehand.

Anyway, my pictures. Notice how small in distance the replacements are? They don't cross 11 meters in distance. They're also tracked by both Zaku and Sasuke. You're not teleporting anywhere in an untrackable manner. You're moving around fast and maybe at tier 1 speed...In canon. Do you know what the name of this technique is called on the wiki? It's not just Replacement or Substitution. It's "Kawarimi". http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kawarimi Would you look at that...It's an actual phenomenon. IRL, people don't teleport.
Do you think Sumo wrestlers teleport? Again, no. Now, look at the last picture. Notice how all of these ninja are watching Tobi-kun? They're so confused. How did Tobi-kun escape the bugs? It should be impossible with Teleportation Jutsu (also known as Replacement Jutsu you're using). Why, it's almost like the "Teleportation Jutsu"...Isn't actually capable of teleporting. It's just high speed movement. Tier 1 at best. It still wouldn't help you magically teleport with no description or autohit your opponent. Oh yes...And finally...Your jutsu also doesn't work because of the size of the thing you replaced with. You realize that it's an optical illusion jutsu, right? Most likely, the block of wood is transformed into a person with the jutsu, so to distract the opponent. A tiny branch can't be used for that purpose. Anyhow, Tree not using hand seals for his ijutsu with hand signs doesn't matter, as he still moved to punch you. Seeing how your Body Replacement failed completely, you're hit regardless of speed. I'd also like to think you wouldn't wanna depend on somebody not using hand seals to livez.
Anything else: Nu.
Final Thoughts: Where do you go off calling me bias and wanting to destroy the site? I've advertised in hundreds of places and I'm on 24/7. Queen and Juicy aren't. You're on Skype a lot with Queen and Juicy have known them for years. You're buddies with them. You like each other and respect each other. I respect nobody and think of everybody as equal in their fodder nature because nobody is worth my timez. Notice how Queen and Jushiro are the ones who have to be bias here because of their relations with you along with them being in Konoha. I coudn't care less what happens to you folk as a genin who is supposedly "out to destroy the site". You should also lose NP for calling me bias continually with no evidence, as the rules state. Supposedly, you're quitting though.
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PostSubject: Re: Rolling Mist Replacement    Rolling Mist Replacement  Empty4/21/2014, 11:59 pm

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Decisive Ruling Incoming.
I'm sorry for stepping on toes, but here comes a hammer and a half.

After a long discussion with several moderators, it has come to the conclusion that this entire topic in itself is detrimental to the site. Therefore, I am stepping in, and putting in a firm ruling that I will fight to the grave with.

THIS TOPIC IS HEREBY FULLY VOIDED. Everyone is reset to their respective villages.

The following parties already received a light consequence:
-- Mouse

The following parties will receive a major consequence:
-- EmptyTree [-100NP, -20CR. Shapeshifting Clone no longer Existent.]
-- The Noob [-100NP, -20CR. If does not post by this friday, removed from activity.]


If you wish to understand the reason for voiding please PM me privately. This is not a contestable ruling. Should I see any drama relating to this on the c-box or any other method of site communication, I will enact further punishment. Also do not try and go loophole around this judgement either.

Thank you for your patience and please claim all of the things related to you in the update. Simply link this post. Have a Nice day.
-- Lilium
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